Comments on: Stop the Hawaii Family Forum — support civil unions in Hawaii

By: Steve Waugh

Steve Waugh — Mon, 30 May 2011 12:03:56 +0000

Lot of thanks for your blog not only for this blog but also all of the blog post! I read the whole post and presume that Heterosexual people suck at marriage, therefore homosexual people can’t do it. Thanks a lot :)

By: Radha M.

Radha M. — Tue, 10 May 2011 23:03:11 +0000

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By: Chocolate Truffles

Chocolate Truffles — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:23:59 +0000

i think that gay marriage should be allowed in certain states but not in other states ~–

By: PGJames

PGJames — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:30:00 +0000

I agree that marriage is a right that all couples should be entitled to, whether it be between people of opposite genders or the same gender. That being said, I feel that, in the United States anyway, gay marriage should remain a states rights issue. Individual states should be allowed to choose whether or not they will recognize same sex marriages, as the constitution grants them the right to do. The Federal government should not play a part in marriage rights of any kind. The 14th amendment grants all citizens the right to equal protection under Federal laws, which I feel is clearly violated by only recognizing one type of union between two individuals. It would be better for the Federal government to not recognize any marriage rights than to discriminate against such a large minority. __________________________ commom law marriage cobb states

By: springroll avenger

springroll avenger — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:14:00 +0000

Incidentally, the amended bill that made NO REFERENCE to the word, “marriage,” was, ITSELF, an amended version of a previous bill that simply referenced the word, “marriage,” to show a legal equivalency to Hawaii’s marriage statutes. This was to appease the concern of a certain group of folks (particularly the Hawaii Family Forum), who were “uncomfortable” with ANY mention of the word in the bill’s description or body, even though it was necessary to articulate the purpose and meaning of the CU bill. Instead, all instances of the “word” were essentially replaced by references to where “X” could be found in the “X” bill. How ridiculous is that? The degree to which the gay community compromised is astounding and apparently unacknowledged by most.

By: springroll avenger

springroll avenger — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 03:09:46 +0000

@Ku’ualoha
I forgot to say…if you really do support Civil Unions in Hawaii, the movement could really use your support. But, if you don’t like the current version of the bill that’s been postponed until the next legislative session (it includes heterosexual couples) you can blame your Senators for that move – particularly Colleen Hanabusa and Shan Tsutsui. They engineered a strategy the day before the session ended to derail the previous CU bill (which made NO REFERENCES to “marriage”) and introduced an amendment that included heterosexuals. This amendment needed two days for review…there was one day left. It is not the gay community that is unwilling to compromise…

By: springroll avenger

springroll avenger — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:50:27 +0000

@Ku’ualoha

Nice post and great questions. I, personally, am not interested in having my marriage blessed by God. I am not a Christian. However, all marriages (and divorces) are civil contracts regulated by the state – a secular body. If you believe gay couples should have civil unions with the same rights, you are essentially saying that it is okay for the state to have two separate categories for the same rights on the sole basis of gender. As someone who has fought for Civil Unions in Hawaii, I have come to realize that many of the church’s DO NOT want gays and lesbians to have their own separate category. The excuses are…”these are special rights,” or “they exclude heterosexuals,” or, when a compromise is offered that includes heterosexuals, the church is opposed to it because it creates two separate categories for the same rights for heterosexuals! In truth, there’s no appeasing fundamentalists, even with civil unions. Even the Supreme Court recognizes that separate but equal is a sham. About marriage and the church… no church is legally required to marry gay couples — this is the biggest paranoia tactic out there. However, there are many gay Christians who can find a church that will marry them. If you believe that we are all sinners, why would God bless any marriage at all? Divorce destroys marriages, not gay people. Isn’t Jesus a better consultant on this matter? I am glad the notion of “sin” has evolved through the centuries or incest, polygamy, prostituting your children, and stoning your wife to death would be legal! We cannot pick and choose to condemn good people without acknowledging how society has changed. Anyway, no church has to change it’s definition of marriage… but, in the secular realm, a “marriage” is merely a piece of paper – a legally-binding contract between two people. The state, however, has no right to deny a couple of the same-sex the right to enter into this contract.

By: Ku'ualoha

Ku'ualoha — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:53:18 +0000

Ok so im female, straight and raised catholic. I have tons of gay friends and i adore them.. i in no way look down on them or think im better than them, but i DO think homosexuality is a sin… that being said i also sin on a daily basis. Humans sin.. God knows this, he created us this way. I think its wrong for people to judge people for who they choose to be with since its God place to judge and none of us are sinless. I choose to love people for who they are, not their sins or choices in life for i wouldnt want to be judged for my choices! —- i have a question: marriage was created by the church as a union in front of God between a man and a woman.. being that homosexuality is a sin, the church cant be expected to condone nor unite sin in front of God. Ok so my thoughts are this.. most gay couples arguements for wanting to get married is that they want the same legal rights as married couples right? Although i have gay friends who admit that they also want their relationship to be blessed by God.. thats not really gonna happen! Homosexuality is a sin.. period! I know that premarital sex is a sin, and im not demanding me and my boyfriends sexual endeavors be blessed by God because obviously i know its a sin. So if what gay couples want is the same legal rights as straight couples, im all for that! They SHOULD be able to be in the hospital room of their dying partners, they SHOULD be able to get file joint taxes etc. there should be a legal union other than marriage in which gay couples can have a non religious ceremony of unity and in which they would get the same rights as a straight couple.. the definition of this union should be something like “a legal and binding union between a couple of the same sex”, no straight couples can partake in said ceremony. so my question: would that appease the gay community? or is it really about having their relationship accepted and blessed by God and the religious community?

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